THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

                    RADIO INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT
                         ON THE TOM JOYNER SHOW

9:05 A.M. EST

Q We go to Washington, D.C., and on the line right now is the President of the United States, President Bill Clinton. Good morning, sir.

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning, Tom.

Q How are you this morning?

THE PRESIDENT: I'm great. It's a beautiful day here, a little fall coolness in the air, but it's a beautiful day.

Q It's a great day before getting out the vote.

Q Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: It is. I hope tomorrow will be as good as today is -- with the weather.

Q Now, we've been talking all along about how important it is for African Americans to get out and vote. I want to go back, first of all, and let's talk about the times when black Americans didn't have the right to vote. Because I know that you came up in an era where -- you can remember the Little Rock Nine, you can remember Medgar Evers, you can remember the four little girls in Birmingham, where a lot of us only know about these events from recent movies.

THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely.

Q But you remember those times.

THE PRESIDENT: I lived through all of that. I lived through the churches being bombed and people being driven away from the polls. And then I lived through the poll tax era where people would buy the poll taxes by the roll and black people had to agree to vote the way they wanted and they -- if they could get a certificate for the poll tax. I remember all that.

Q From Arkansas, and you probably heard a lot of hatred growing up in Arkansas, too.

THE PRESIDENT: I did. Of course, I did. To me, the passage of the Civil Rights Act, the voting rights law, the open housing law, all those things, they were the pivotal events of my childhood as far as my citizenship goes -- I mean, just the whole civil rights movement. Now I see that we do -- at least on Election Day, we are all equal. As I said yesterday in Baltimore, tomorrow, whatever anybody thinks about all the challenges and problems we still have in America, every single person tomorrow is just as important as the President or the Speaker of the House or Mr. Gates at Microsoft or anybody else. Everybody shows up and everybody's vote counts, unless you don't show up.

You know what kinds of debates we've had here in Washington over the last couple of years, you know what the big issues are. And the real challenge here is that if this were a presidential year, then African American voters, Hispanic voters, working people generally -- single mothers who have to work for a living and figure out how to get their kids to child care or to school and work through how to get to the polling place -- all these folks would be voting. And it's clear if that were the case that we would win the congressional races handily, and we could change the direction of this country. We could end this last eight months of partisanship we went through and really start building on the successes of the last six years.

So what I've got to try to do is persuade enough people just to go out and vote, because this election is not an ordinary congressional election. This Congress will shape how the American people live in important ways for many years to come.

Q The African American vote is real important.

THE PRESIDENT: Very important. It's important because in these midterm elections normally African Americans do not vote in the same percentages as they do in presidential elections. And normally the fall off is bigger than it is for hardcore Republican voters, who tend to be older, a little better off, have a little more free time and more likely to vote. And, of course, the so-called Christian Coalition, the very conservative right wing of the Republican Party, they always vote.

So if we want our voices heard and we want to continue the progress of the last six years, I need some support in Congress. We had a little more balance in Congress -- if we had a few more Democrats in Congress we could pass the patients' bill of rights to make sure that health care decisions are made by doctors and not insurance company accountants. We could pass Senator Carol Moseley-Braun's school construction initiative to make sure that we have not only 100,000 teachers, but they're teaching our kids in modern schools and not classrooms that are all broken down buildings. We could pass an increase in the minimum wage. And we could stop this raid on the surplus until we save Social Security.

Those are huge issues. And that's really what this election is all about.

Q Mr. President, you were saying about African Americans -- and certainly there are a couple of things that are before the U.S. government in the Congress specifically, when you're looking at the U.S. census coming up and the importance of that, as well as representation in Congress, which the census obviously affecting that.

THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely. Let me say to everyone here listening to us, the census is not just important because it's a way of telling us how many Americans there are and how we break down -- what communities and states do we live in, what are our ages, what are our incomes, what are our racial backgrounds. The census also is used to draw the congressional maps and to determine the amount of assistance that comes in education aid and other things to various states and localities.

Now, all I have tried to do in this census is to guarantee that we have an accurate count. In the last census we know we missed several million Americans, disproportionately Americans of color and Americans who live in urban areas. We know they were not counted. So all we've said is, let's take the most reliable way of doing that. The Republicans are adamantly opposed to the National Academy of Sciences' recommendations. They're opposed to the recommendations even of President Bush's own census taker. And the reason is I think they don't want all Americans counted because if that happens we'll have a different distribution of the congressional district maps and it will make a big difference for the long-term future of our country.

Now, this will happen in the year I leave office, 2000, my last year as President. But I just believe I owe it to the future as we grow ever more diverse -- and this is not just an issue for African Americans, this is an issue for Asian Americans, this is an issue for Hispanic Americans, this is an issue for new immigrants from even some of the Central European countries, countries to the former Soviet Union. All these people, if they're here, deserve to be counted. If they're citizens they deserve to be counted and taken into account when we draw the congressional district maps. If they're legal immigrants, they should be counted so that we can give the appropriate distribution of federal education and health care assistance and other things.

Q You know, Mr. President, I hear you talking about things like that and the fact that you'll be out of office soon, and I just read in the paper the other day about the millions of dollars that you have allocated for African Americans and other minorities to fight AIDS. And I think that's a tribute to you and your dedication, and it makes me want to ask you what makes you keep pressing forward like this, knowing that you're going to be out of office soon? What makes you keep trying to do these kinds of things?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, what would be the point of being President if you didn't use the power of the presidency to try to solve the problems of the country, to meet the challenges of the country, to seize the opportunities of the country. When I ran for this job I had a very clear idea of what I wanted to do. I didn't know, obviously, every decision that would be presented to me or every challenge or crisis that would come up. But I knew that I wanted to turn the country -- I wanted to change our economic policy, I wanted to change our education and our welfare policies. I wanted to give more young people the chance to serve their country in national service. But all of it together was designed to create a country that was ready for a new century and a new economy and a new world.

And one of the critical things about getting ready is whether every person in this country believes that we're moving toward one America. You mentioned that AIDS initiative. We got $156 million to try to do special things to reduce the dramatic increase in HIV and AIDS in the African American community, in the Hispanic community, in other communities of color. That's where the growth is now. How can we be one America if a ravaging disease like this is being brought under control in part of our population, but not in another?

So I think this is very important to me. I have -- I can rest when I'm not President anymore. I need to work like crazy until the last minute of the last hour of the last day to try to make sure I have done everything I possibly could with this precious eight years of time the American people gave me.

Q So what do you want historians to write about you when it's all over?

THE PRESIDENT: I want them to say that I helped to take America into a new era, that I really prepared America for a global economy, a global society; for increasing diversity at home; for responsibilities in a world where there was no Cold War, but we had a lot of challenges from terrorism, from racial and ethnic and religious wars. I want them to say that I did create an America of dramatically increased opportunity for all people, an America where we were coming together more in a spirit of unity, an America that was a leading force for peace and freedom and prosperity in the world. That's what I want them to say.

Q You know, Mr. President, when you were talking about the Little Rock Nine and how you lived through that, and also people have said that as you have promised -- and you have carried through on that promise -- to give us a reflection in your Cabinet and those around you of America -- and one of the leading things that you brought to mind is the race relations panel. And I was just wondering what the status is on that.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we are preparing right now a final book on that. I got the report from Dr. John Hope Franklin and the other members of my panel on race, and we're going to do a book on it and get it out to the country. And then we're going to continue the work. We're going to take the recommendations of the panel and work with them on the next legislative program I present to the Congress, in the administrative policies of our government, and in continuing to find things that are working at the local level and promoting them throughout the country.

I think this is very important. They did a terrific job. We've got literally hundreds of thousands of Americans involved all across America, and we're going to continue to work. I've got the report now and we're going to be about the business of implementing it. I think it's very important.

Q And that's the importance of having the Congress that you can work with, that will get that out.

THE PRESIDENT: That's right. That's right. And let me say this. The real problem now is the Congress is basically dominated by not only the Republicans, but the right wing of the party is in the driver's seat. And if we get a big turnout here and we change the Congress, the composition of the Congress, you wouldn't have to change it all that much to give it enough balance in there for us to be able to take some affirmative action.

If we had a few more Democrats we could do things positively instead of do what we had to do last year, which was to -- this year -- we fought a rear guard action for nine months, and then at the very end they came in and had to deal with us on the budget. And because we all stuck together, we got 100,000 teachers, we did save the surplus for Social Security, we were able to get programs for children after school -- hundreds of thousands, that was a good thing. But there is so much more we should do. And if the American people believe it's important to have modern schools and more teachers and to have the patients' bill of rights, to have an increase in the minimum wage, to save Social Security -- if they think these things are important and they want us to keep coming together, not be driven apart, then it's important to show up tomorrow.

Q Do you think the Republicans are counting on African Americans not to come out tomorrow?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think they are hoping that there will be a lower turnout among people who will vote for the Democrats, yes. They are hoping that there will be. And they are hoping there will be a higher turnout among people that they have tried to inflame, as they always do, in the various ways that they do it.

Q And in the Republican ads, certainly they have been flooding the airwaves.

THE PRESIDENT: It's unbelievable. I think it's important that the people listening to us know that they raised over $100 million more than the Democrats did in their Senate and House committees and their national political committees -- over $100 million. And they, over and above that, they have a lot of these so-called third party expenditures where -- just in the last 10 days they dropped another $750,000 against a congressional candidate in Michigan, a few hundred thousand dollars they dropped into a television ad campaign attacking one of our Democrats in rural Ohio. I've never seen this kind of money.

But we have the message, we have the issues. The country is in good shape and we can do better. And the public agrees with us on our program, so it's basically their money and our issues and the question of who votes. And that's why this interview is so important to me.

Q Radio stations, I told you I would be running long. I'm running right through the break with the President of the United States. Please hold with us.

Q Bigger name.

Q Yes, bigger name. (Laughter.)

Mr. President, we've talked about what happens if African Americans turn out to vote tomorrow. What if we don't turn out?

THE PRESIDENT: Then they'll win a lot more seats than they otherwise would.

Q So we're going to be to blame if it doesn't work out?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I wouldn't say that. I mean, who knows -- President Kennedy once said, victory has a thousand fathers, and defeat is an orphan. I don't think it's worth thinking about that, but I think it's worth thinking about the difference between what -- you know, Carol Moseley Braun in Illinois has been behind this whole race. She has been badly out-spent. She has run against someone with millions and millions of dollars who attacked her and basically refused to appear, and tried to disguise his philosophical positions, which were far to the right of the voters of Illinois. She's made a huge comeback in the last week. It's amazing. One survey even had her leading by two points after being down by as much as 16. But it won't amount to anything unless the voters in Illinois who would vote for her show up.

Senator Hollings is in a tough fight in South Carolina. We have a chance to win a Senate seat in North Carolina; Chuck Schumer in New York; Barbara Boxer in California. These are huge, huge races and there are many more. I just mention them. In Las Vegas, Nevada, where there's a substantial African American population, we've got a congressional seat and a very important Senate seat in play.

So the extent of the turnout all across America -- and there are 30 or 35 congressional seats that could go one way or the other, and how they go will determine the shape of this next Congress and what their priorities will be.

Q And into the year 2000 and beyond.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

Q And you, personally, have a lot riding on this Congress, with all of the troubles that you're having.

THE PRESIDENT: You know, I've just got two more years to be President and I would like it -- I'll be happy to fight, just like I did this last year, if that's the Congress I have to deal with, and at the end of the year we'll get something done, just like we did this year.

But it would be so much better -- here we have the lowest unemployment rate in 28 years, the first budget surplus in 29 years, the lowest welfare rolls in 29 years, the highest home ownership in history. The policies we've followed have been good for America and it would be so much better now if we could just go to work and get rid of some of this bitter partisanship. The level of intense, angry partisanship that the Republicans have injected in Washington is really not good for America.

I want to work with all people here who have good ideas, to go forward. It is possible to do. But it's not possible to do as long as they think they can win with huge amounts of money and divisive attacks and negative campaigns. So if we can change the balance here a little bit, then we can get everybody to work together to move the country forward for the next two years. And, yes, that's what I'd like to spend my time on. I think we ought to be working on people's problems out there in America and not just fighting with each other inside the beltway.

Q Mr. President, you talked about how good things are in the country and some people have said that they're too good and people have become too complacent to get out there and vote for any difference.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I have two things to say about that. First of all, they are good, but they can be a lot better. Yes, we have the lowest African American poverty rate ever recorded. But is it low enough? Of course not. They can be a lot better. I have offered to Congress initiatives to dramatically improve the schools, to dramatically improve the economic prospects of inner-city neighborhoods. I'd like to have a chance to pass them.

Think of the need we have for this patients' bill of rights. Think of how many people are out there in HMOs that are having health care decisions made by accountants, not doctors. Think of the need we have with the biggest school population in history to build 5,000 modern schools that can be hooked up to the Internet and smaller classes for 100,000 teaches to teach in. Think of the need we have for a minimum wage increase. You know, even with low unemployment you can't raise a family on $5.15 an hour. And think of the need we have to reform Social Security in the right way and to preserve the Medicare program and to meet these other challenges. So my first answer is that we have a lot to do.

The second thing I would say is that if everybody stays home and we have people in here who will be irresponsible and squander the surplus and risk our economic program and its stability as they did for the last eight months here -- if they tried to do that, then things could get worse in a hurry. So I believe that it would be a great mistake for anybody to stay home because times are good and to assume, well, the President is dealing with all these guys all right and things are fine and I don't really have to show up. That's a big risk that's not worth taking. We have too much to do --

Q Well, that seems to be the mood.

THE PRESIDENT: I don't know. I think a lot of people know this is a big election. I think they know what their priorities are -- and you mentioned them. And I think they know what our priorities are. And I think they know that the Democrats are focused on the people out there in the country and not on some sort of a partisan power game here in Washington. That's what I want to get out there to the people and if they understand that, I think they'll go. I certainly hope they will.

The American people, given enough time, virtually always make the right decision. But we need people to go, because otherwise this huge, vast amount of money that's been spent in this campaign is going to beat a lot of very, very worthy people who would be very good in the Congress and the Senate.

Q All right. Thank you, sir, for coming on the air and talking to us.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you.

Q And we look for results tomorrow and a better day on Wednesday.

Q Are you going home to Little Rock to vote?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm not. I voted absentee already. I've already cast my ballot.

Q All right, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Good-bye.

END 9:25 A.M. EST